The real cost of “Support Ukraine”.
https://summit.news/2022/04/25/italy-to-start-rationing-energy-to-support-ukraine/
https://summit.news/2022/04/25/enter-poverty-to-support-ukraine/
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The English is so poor, this must have been written by a foreigner.
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Leftists are so far gone they think Trump preventing war in Ukraine would have been a bad thing.
Yes, and if he’d been President, and had prevented it, they would have used it as an excuse for another “Trump Russian collusion” conspiracy theory!
As for teaching Irish kids Ukranian - of course!
They’re probably already teaching them Muslim doctrine to accommodate the Muslim population, too, along with " diversity and inclusion"!
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“Russia has beefed up its list of sanctioned Americans which now includes CEOs of arms manufacturers like Northrup Grumann, Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, and journalists at ABC and CNN.”
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“Joe Biden nominated Geoffrey Pyatt – a participant in a controversial leaked phone call with State Department official Victoria Nuland about Ukraine – to serve as Assistant Secretary of State for Energy Resources.”
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Well its nice to see Zuckerburg sanctioned by somebody.
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Biden: “Basically, We’re Out Of Money” But Vows Another $33 Billion More For Ukraine.
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Biden is such a farce. He admits we’re out of money (thats an understatement) but is still going to send billions to Ukraine.
And he’s going to get those evil oligarchs for their “ill gotten gains”, cause they’re a “kleptocracy”.
Oh, right - you mean like those “ill gotten gains” you, our Kleptocrat in Chief, got from those oligarchs yourself Joe???
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Ukrainian military confirms ‘The Ghost of Kyiv’ is made up.
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And now there are signals that this is going to become a situation like Afghanistan - could go on for another 20 years…
Is it a coincidence that, as soon as we withdrew from Afghanistan, this war started in Ukraine?
And that General Austin came to his present post right out of a position at Raytheon?
Sounds like the Military/Industrial complex is humming right along, here…
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Yazmin,
Regarding Baron of the Taiga’s list of rubbish war reports:-
The list is comprised of items that purport to show Russia’s demoralized incompetence, or Ukrainian valor and grit. In other words, he has picked out items to highlight as pro-Ukraine propaganda. By the same token, his listing of pro-Ukraine stories as propaganda, is itself pro-Putin propaganda. That is the nature of propaganda war. If one selectively disbelieves the negative Russian stories and the positive Ukrainian stories, one is not nearer to the facts on the battlefield, one reveals a bias in favor of Putin.
And this pro-Putin bias goes further than a real-politic assessment that Russia must win. It not only offers apologetics for Putin, it is Putin boosterism. It places blame for civilian deaths on Ukraine’s failure to surrender. It has Putin winning not only on the military merits (Russia’s weapons and army numbers being superior) but also on strategic geo-political merits: his victory will be a validation of the pretexts for the invasion, including “denazification”, defense of pro-Putin Russian speakers, historical blood-and-soil claims, folkish “soul” mysticism, modern “spheres of influence” claims. And in the strategic mix - for example, “denazification” - is a demonization of Ukrainian people and a denial on moral grounds of their claims to sovereign peoplehood. (Which European people is morally entitled to nationhood or empire?)
I understand that most conservatives are anti-war, viewing this war through the precedents of Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam wars. I have read the arguments that it is not “our fight”; that America has no national interests at stake; that America should not be international policeman or nation-builder or social justice’s advance guard; that supplying manpower or material will provoke Putin to push the nuclear button; that Putin’s victory is inevitable and any help to Ukraine will simply mean more Ukrainian deaths for a lost - or worthless - cause.
Proponents of these arguments do not need to turn to specious special pleading that Putin has the legal or moral right to invade - conduct a “special operation” - into Ukraine. Nor is their advocacy for America to stay out of the war helped by denials of stories about the tactical failures and set-backs, and the demoralization of Putin’s troops, or by promoting stories about Ukrainian fighters’ false-flag operations, by demonizing Ukrainians and Zelensky, by denying Ukrainian democracy and national sovereignty; and by impugning Zelensky’s legitimacy as a democratically elected President. This counter-propaganda effectively boosts Putin. Boosting Putin’s entitlement to kill Ukrainians and expand his authoritarian rule westward, does not make a case for American isolationism. It makes the case for a foreign policy of expedient appeasement of nuclear-armed autocrats, a policy more dangerous and less strategically coherent than Cold War containment.
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C.Gee, it isn’t propaganda in favour for Putin, this BBC and NY post story confirmed ithttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61285833.amp
I don’t think that repeating lies that in favour for Ukraine doesn’t help innocent Ukrainians and anybody which Zelensky couldn’t care less about considering he has no qualms about using civilians as human shields:
And it’s really doesn’t do any country any favours to be wasting money on weapons for Ukraine when there is high inflation, plus the money could have been used for something else; for example the wall and solving the migrant crisis, not to mention the other cost of helping Ukraine:
https://summit.news/2022/04/25/italy-to-start-rationing-energy-to-support-ukraine/
https://summit.news/2022/04/25/enter-poverty-to-support-ukraine/
And here’s also this:
https://summit.news/2022/03/14/zelensky-thanks-zuckerberg-for-helping-him-win-the-propaganda-war/
https://summit.news/2022/04/06/washington-post-admits-nato-wants-to-prolong-war-in-ukraine/
It’s been repeatedly said that Russia invading Ukraine could have been easily prevented if the election wasn’t stolen from Trump, but the people in power now want to keep the war going.
https://summit.news/2022/04/25/former-us-ambassador-to-ukraine-admits-trump-would-have-prevented-war/
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This is interesting news. Noam Chomsky (who isn’t a Trump supporter) says that Donald Trump is in his own words “the one one Western statesman of stature who is pushing for a diplomatic solution to the war in Ukraine rather than looking for ways to fuel and prolong it.”
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Astonishing! There must be pigs flying in the night sky.
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Yes, when Noam Chomsky gives credit to Trump, that’s really saying something!
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Yes. While I agree that Russia is guilty of the invasion, the corruption of both the American and Ukrainian leaders is to blame for the prolonging of a conflict that could have been resolved by now.
Which points to the fact that Zelensky is just as much of a puppet of those who “installed” him in office as Biden is, and the whole thing is political theater that conveniently serves several purposes other than “preserving democracy” in Ukraine.
Purposes such as providing a crisis on which to blame the worldwide economic/societal collapse that facilitates more governmental control of populations, while enriching and empowering the elites at the same time.
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You say that you don’t think that “repeating lies in favor of Ukraine helps innocent Ukrainians” and “anybody” who Zelensky couldn’t care less about, considering he has no qualms about using civilians as human shields.
The projection onto Zelensky of war crimes committed by Putin is pro-Putin propaganda at the crudest level. You appear to have absorbed so much of the internet’s anti-Ukraine propaganda that you have abandoned any thought that Putin’s invasion was wrong, or that Putin is worse morally (and democratically) than Zelensky, or that Zelensky has any moral or legal authority to resist Putin. You have gone beyond Zelensky-is-the-lesser-of-two-evils, beyond a “plague-on-both-their-houses” even-handedness, and jumped to Zelensky being a war-criminal for resisting Putin-the-Great.
So, the logic of this view of Zelensky is that you agree with Putin and his apologists that the responsibility for Ukrainian deaths is Zelensky’s for not surrendering to Putin before the invasion. You agree with Putin that any part of Ukraine that affords Putin strategic advantages should be ceded to him, without a shot being fired. You agree with Putin that his invasion was to protect and liberate Russians in the Donbas region from murderous Ukrainian nazis. You agree with Putin that honoring our commitments to send military aid to Ukraine will force him to escalate, to take more civilians hostage to extort more territorial concessions.
Do you need this level of emotional, rabble-rousing disgust for Ukraine’s self-defense (including its national morale-boosting superhero myth of the Ghost of Kyiv) to persuade Americans not to send arms to the Ukraine and to repudiate American strategic interests in Europe? Is that because you need bluster to overcome remaining qualms about the foreseeable consequences of not standing up to Putin in Ukraine?
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C.Gee, how exactly did abandon that any thought that the invasion was wrong? It’s not pro Putin Propaganda or Putin apologist to point out the truth and it’s been repeatedly clear that the the mainstream media, big tech etc clearly favour the one sided pro-Ukraine view in order to trick the population into supporting going to war with Russia, if you looked at my previous posts I didn’t say that the invading was Russia was good, but I understand the reason why the invasion happened instead of just saying “Putin woke up one morning and just decided to invade Ukraine because he evil”, not to mention that the invasion could have been easily been prevented if we still had leaders like Trump.
How exactly is it a good thing to waste money on the lie of protecting Ukraine “Sovereignty” (when it hasn’t been for years it has every chance to be but with its leaders taking orders from the US and half of Ukraine being brainwashed by Nazi propaganda and celebrating a War hero) when the Southern border is being invaded, gas and food prices rising and massive inflation? And how exactly is it a good thing to support a proxy war against Russia when politicians like Biden and Pelosi are just going to continue their money laundering operation there? None of this is strategic and good in any sense and it’s not a as you say “a emotional, rabble-rousing disgust for Ukraine’s self-defense” (even though half of Ukrainians have been killing other half of Ukrainians) that is the reality of the situation.
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“A new report by the scientific service of the German Bundestag claims US training of Ukrainian forces on German Soil can represent entry into the war with nuclear-armed Russia.”
“The Biden regime sought another $33 billion to send to Ukraine in their war with Russia last week.”
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