This man is demonic. He surely knows that the vaccinated are just as likely to spread the virus than the unvaccinated. He is a moral monster preaching segregation and scapegoating of millions of Americans.
DeSantis, we need you more than ever.
I hope Americans will heed Rand Paul who says live your lives and ignore Fauci.
I don’t see how anybody believes a word he says anymore, or pays attention to him.
He is such a pompous a$$.
He’s just as responsible for the deaths of people who died from the vaccine side effects, or from the virus he funded, or from the lockdowns, or from not getting access to ivermectin, etc, as Cuomo is for the deaths of the nursing home residents.
You are spot on. Unfortunately, his pomposity and asininity are shared by too many physicians.
No comment on Mr Fauci as I am not American and do not know much about him - as a libertarian I am wary of Government diktat in general. But I think the science in this discussion nis wrong. For omicron, we still do not know. For earlier virus mutations, it is clear vaccination does reduce transmission with some important caveats. Early studies on alpha showed transmission reduced a great deal - about 89% for Pfizer in a Dutch study.
I think an epidemiologist would have to look at the Massachusetts study and work out whether delta infection is reduced by vaccines that definitely reduce transmission of earlier variants. It seems to me that the real question of the moment is omicron transmission as this is so much faster at spreading than earlier versions. A small study of just 12 in South Africa shows some reduction of transmission among Pfizer vaccinated people but this is too small a study to tell.
Seems to me it is up to you whether you mix with unvaccinated family members but on balance, it is kinder and more considerate to oldies like me if their young grandchildren or nieces get vaccinated as it must reduce earlier variant transmission, and discourage new variants and may reduce omicron.
Omicron is very mild. Not nice of course if you get it, but not lethal. Hardly worth the fuss being made about it - by governments that want to control us all.
Golf Champion Phil Mickelson asked this on Twitter:
“Serious question since I’m not a dr. If omicron is contagious but not deadly(25,000 cases in Africa with no deaths) why try and control it? Why not let it go and let people get it and develop immunity? Especially for those who won’t get vaccinated? Pls no hate, I’m just curious.”
Very good question. Common sense! (Interesting that he had to plead for “no hate”.)
Yes, I’ve been hearing that the Omicron variant could be the way to “herd immunity”.
But if the people making money off the vaccines had really wanted us to get immunity, we could have gotten it off the first variant, by treating it just like we do with the cold or flu.
Thanks for the info. But from looking at the overall picture, and knowing how so much data has been doctored (or suppressed) and used as an excuse for lockdowns and mandates, I still don’t trust either the government, big Pharma, or the doctors shilling for them.
I am unaware of any high quality randomized controlled study that indicates that vaccinated people are any less likely to spread the vaccine than the unvaccinated. Even the manufacturers recognize this.
If your vaccination, westrop8, does not protect you, then how will your grandchildren’s vaccination protect you? Children are no threat to their parents or grandparents, or teachers.
We are trapped in a tragic cognitive dissonance here.
We are told that the vaccines do not stop the spread of the virus while simultaneously we are told the spread of the virus can only be stopped by vaccination. This kind of thinking leads to madness and the return of segregation.
I would love to stamp this dictum on the foreheads of all our tyrannical doctors and politicians:
"There are no means known to medical science to stop the spread of respiratory diseases."
Isn’t it curious that we use the verb “to doctor” to describe the act of falsifying or deceitfully alter documents?
All the papers are published and peer reviewed in the Lancet &c. They look high quality to me. They set out all their data sets, error margins, standard deviation and all come to reasonable conclusions. You can scrutinise all of the quality indicators yourself by reading the papers. To answer your second point, where there are breakthrough infections ie infections despite vaccination and transmission still goes down for vaccinated subjects compared to unvaccinated; then a reasonable is that the vaccination lowers transmission by reducing viral load. This appears to be borne out in the nose swab results. Of course, good science is always disprovable so let’s see what the next studies show. For the moment the most plausible hypothesis stands IMO.
Ha! Yes, very interesting, and not very reassuring.
I can’t cite the exact study, but Lancet did one early on that was debunked and they had to retract it.
Cogito may remember the exact one.
Yes - do you mean the malaria drug study where the authors lost confidence in the primary data and aske dthe New England Journal and the Lancet to retract?
Please see this from Ontario where I live:
And this:
Bad grammar, but good question
Cheers
There is some problem programming here. I think there are multiple errors on the ontario site (COVID-19 vaccinations data | COVID-19 (coronavirus) in Ontario) where this graph was originally produced. I can’t reconcile the raw data with the graphs and much of the table data is missing. Some of the table data changes depending on what options you were on just before you requested it!
But it may be true that in the last 30 days a seven day moving average shows more vaccinated people getting covid than unvaccinated. But there are 11.3 million vaccinated people, (all people more likely to submit PCR tests than unvaccinated ones?) and 2.5 million unvaccinated, and so one might obviously predict a wave of infection to show up in the larger group in a moving average.
What I can see and looks like sounder ground, is that they think in Ontario that they have fully vaccinated 11,383,811 people and they have 153 of these in hospital or 0.0013% of fully vaccinated people are in hospital.
776,678 people are partially vaccinated and of these 13 are in hospital or .0016%
Of the remaining unvaccinated 2513308 people, 138 are in hospital or .0054%
If you want to stay out of hospital it looks like your chances are four times better if you have the vaccine.
I know the article you mean, but can’t track it at the moment. It was a scandalous business. I believe the New England Journal of Medicine was also involved
You argue deftly and persuasively. Am I correct in suspecting a biological or medical background?
I think we may have travelled down this road as far as we can without more data.
However, it is clearly the case that Ontario, like so many other highly vaccinated jurisdictions (Scotland, England, Portugal, Israel, Gibraltar et al.) is experiencing an alarming surge in the number of infections.
One of the intriguing questions for me is this: Is the crescendo of infections in all these areas occurring despite the vaccines or because of the vaccines? We simply don’t know.
Another question that perplexes me is why this surge in cases in Ontario (of which about 70% are in the fully vaccinated) does not correlate with the number of hospitalizations and deaths. I understand that anywhere from 60% to 70% of deaths in the above named countries are in the fully vaccinated. There are several explanations (dodgy PCT testing or possibly not distinguishing between hospitalized/death of covid or with covid). I do not know.
So, as I say, we need more data.
Cheers
Two simple facts from official UK data (ONS) on fatalities that seem to me to blow all claims of “vaccine effectiveness” out of the water:
Fact 1. The average age of those dying from COVID-19 in 2020 was over 80. In spite of this the jabs were rolled out to the whole population, even inexplicably to children who were (according to the JCVI) not at any significant risk from the illness. In many cases those who died allegedly from COVID-19 had at least one co-morbidity, and no doubt weakened immune systems as well.
Fact 2. The age adjusted death rate in the UK in 2020 was the same as it was in 2008, and not really significantly higher than even the immediately preceding 5 years, which had seen unprecedented, historically low, death rates.
The much-hyped second wave in early 2021 was also not sigificantly more deadly even than recent flu seasons - even at the peak in early 2021 the overall weekly death rate was only different from the peak in 2018 by 1 in 16,000 deaths.
In other words, we can’t consider the solution effective if there was no significant problem to solve in the first place.
If you’re still not convinced by the above facts then please spend some time listening to the harrowing accounts of young people who have suffered serious adverse reactions from the jabs. Take a look at the website for The testimonies project | Testimonies after Covid-19 vaccination for example, a campaign group trying to raise awareness of jab harms. Another group is React19.org, some of the people involved in this group are the parents of previously healthy children who have suffered serious heart problems from the jabs. While you’re listening to those accounts please continue to bear fact 1 above in mind - all these young people were jabbed unnecessarily.
Sound data. Thank you.
Initially the vaccines were touted as a prevention of disease and transmission. Very recently, Biden was peddling the same misinformation. When they saw that this simply was a lie, they then turned to declaring that even if the vaccines did not stop you from getting the virus or transmitting the virus, they at least mitigated the symptoms and lessened death and hospitalization.
But we are faced with a few problems here. Why is it that there were more covid deaths with multiple jabs in 2021 than in no vaccine 2020?
Why is it that those in the highest risk group (75 years and above) are dying at the same rate in 2021 as in 2020?
Why is it that evidence is coming in that those 65-75 years are dying at a higher rate than in 2021 than in 2020?
Why is it that covid deaths in the highest vaccinated jurisdictions are significantly fully vaccinated?
We have had two years of quarantines, lockdowns, business closures, school closures, mask mandates, bubbles, social distancing and now almost a year of multiple jabs and we are simply no farther ahead and possibly worse than we were in 2020.
