No, after it’s been going on for this long, and they’re still pulling the same old lame stunts, I’d never fool myself that the disaster movie is over yet.
Yup, awoke this morning after sleeping in late…and as my wonderful feeling faded it was replaced by the reality of what was really happening to our lives. And how much more work we had to do. This is the first time I have ever “shuddered” awake.
Well, let’s see…fingers crossed, house smudged, prayers sent out to the void, seeking positive vibes, but mostly make plans, take action and VOTE.
Yes, with fingers crossed that you’re vote will actually count, and won’t just disappear into a bottomless pit of fraud.
Yazmin,
“Now is the time for all the conspiracy theorists, tin foil hat wearers, Putin apologist, vaccine deniers and those who have been proven correct, to stand boldly amid the crowd of sheeple and defy the next effort [by governments to take control of our lives].”
So are we to expect “Putin apologists” to piggy-back on those in the West who, rightly and with good reason, question the authority, motivation, competence and veracity of Officialdom and their helpers in Big Pharma and Health Care in dealing with the Covid pandemic ; to borrow the robes of justice worn by those who rightly, and with good reason, point out the conspiracy of Officialdom to bring down Trump and disband his following; to steal the outrage of those who, rightly and with good reason, question the imposition of delusional climate policies? Now Putin’s own lies (about Covid and all political and economic policies), his power grab, his control over people’s lives, his ambition to control more populations, his manipulation of globalist, climate-alarmist, woke international bodies - can be swept away. Now is the time - six months into a war of attrition in Ukraine - to persuade the American electorate that Putin is a victim, alongside Trump, and the Constitution, of the political opposition’s dirty tricks. It won’t wash with me.
What Oliver is saying is that anyone who accuses the Powers That Be of exploiting the war in Ukraine for their own corrupt purposes is labeled a “Putin apologist” just to shut them up. Just as anyone who questioned the vaccine was labeled a “vaccine denier”.
He’s not even remotely suggesting that Putin is a victim.
I understand exactly what Oliver saying. I am saying that “Putin apologists” are actual “conspiracy theorists” (putting about Putin’s conspiracy theory of Nato expansion, for example) where those who believe that named officials FBI/DOJ/IC conspired to bring down Trump are not. I am saying that Putin apologists are actual “science deniers” where “vaccine deniers” who can point to official lies and suppression of empirical facts are not. Putin apologists are “invasion deniers”. If Oliver had used this term in place of “Putin apologists”, his attempt to perpetuate a propaganda bluff under cover of calling propaganda bluffs would have been obvious.
C.Gee, again none of what you’re saying makes any sense and NATO expansion being the cause of Putin getting involved in Ukraine isn’t a theory, it’s a fact that you’re too blind to see and if you’re not going to take it from people you deem ‘Putin apologist’ take it from this:
Alot of illuminating observations from Solzhenistyn.
“NATO methodically and stubbornly developed its military apparatus…their open support for a variety of color revolutions…NATO is in the process of encircling Russia…”
On which George Kennan stated, “The expansion of NATO was…a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever…”
And in 2014 the U.S., under the leadership of officials such as Victoria Nuland, instigated the Maidan coup. Nuland epitomizes the interventionist meddling that has led to so many unforeseen and unintended consequences, including the disaster now unfolding in Ukraine.
None of this makes Putin the good guy or the bad guy, just one of the players on the stage that is helping to alter Europe.
And, honestly, if Dugan and Putin are against the Globalist Oligarchy…uh, well… We are also against them, but not to say that the enemy of our enemy is our friend, by any means…or even strange bedfellows. Nope. As if things weren’t complicated enough…
Putin is a very bad guy.
Yes, he is, as are many of them. His actions do not make him THE Bad Guy in all of the goings on.
Jeanne, Putin is one of the worst guys in the world today. He is a murdering dictator. Unreconstructed KGB. There are no checks on his power.
He invades a neighboring independent country and is excused for doing so by Western conservatives?
Having his invaders castrate prisoners-of-war with scissors doesn’t seem to you a big step further than even Pelosi has yet gone with her incarceration and torment of January 6 political prisoners?
The ayatollahs who oppress the people of Iran may arguably be considered his peers in badness. Or Xi Jinping. Or Kim Jong-un. But other political demons - Trudeau, von Leyen, Macron, Biden, Pelosi, Ardern, Schwab, etc. - are all lesser hell-makers, as yet only aspiring to the power Putin has and uses with gleeful savagery.
Yes, Putin is a bad guy, but the thing is, we provoked his invasion with our interventionist meddling. A bear in the woods can kill you, but probably won’t unless you provoke him.
Blaming the West for bad policies doesn’t mean one is pro-Putin, but that we have a responsibility to restore peace, because we had the power to keep peace and we squandered it through arrogant, incompetent, bad leadership.
The disaster of our foreign policy directly correlates to the disaster of our domestic policy - its all the result of the infiltration and takeover of our governments by leftists who are ignorant of reality and are just there to push an agenda.
By the time we win the battle against Russia, our own countries will be in ruins.
This is why is it bad to have wars. Putin and Zelensky are at war and war is their business. China is at war. The WEF is at war. Islamism is at war. Most of Africa is at war. War is an evil time when evil things are done by evil people…and by decent people, usually at the command of their superiors.
Why does the US pretend that this is not a war with the terrible consequence of war? War destroys towns, businesses, farms, playgrounds, hospitals and the people trapped by geography. War mongers tend to be savages, even when dressed in high fashion. Money is made during war. War mongers care little for their own people and sacrifice them willingly.
This is not apology for Putin, but I do not point my finger at him either. The only thing that stops a war monger is a stronger warrior. That is not Zelensky. It is not Biden. A war cannot be won by not fighting it, which is why wars should not be undertaken like a trip to the store. Neither should they be used as a distraction, so the people won’t look at the other hand working mischief.
Yeah, Putin is a bad guy, unless Russia benefits from his leadership, in which case he is seen by Russians as a good guy. Zelensky may also be a bad guy. I don’t know anymore what he is really after. Xi’s hand is in the pie. Other countries may benefit. Ukraine is up for grabs, it seems.
Are there good guys and bad guys at war or at odds with one another in the world? Maybe they can be pointed out within a nation, but globally? If there are, is the US on the right side? I don’t know anymore.
Wiki information:
"In 2014, Russia annexed the peninsula and established two federal subjects there, the Republic of Crimea and the federal city of Sevastopol.
“As of today Russia continues to illegally occupy Ukraine’s Autonomous Republic of Crimea (26 081 km²), the city of Sevastopol (864 km²), certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions (16799 km²) — in total 43744 km² or 7,2% of the territory of Ukraine.”
All because the West provoked Putin?
I await the expert detailed information that explains how the West provoked a peaceable Putin to seize Ukrainian territory and how his doing so relieves him of that provocation.
(I do not want links to other people’s articles. I will not read them. I want a
member of this Forum, a true believer in Western guilt for Putin’s war on Ukraine, to explain what I ask in his/her own words.)
Jillian, you forget that Wikipedia is unreliable when it comes to this information and you forget that the annexation was legally for after the Maiden coup that people like Victoria Nuland instigated.
I don’t buy the argument that invading a neighbouring country makes someone dangerous, if you’re going to use that argument then you might as well say that the U.S annexing past territories like Texas, D-Day, Bay of Pigs and Israel intervention in Lebanon is bad.
By the way I just came across this:
I said I don’t want links to other people’s articles. I said I would not read them and I won’t. Explain your view IN YOUR OWN WORDS, please.
I thought I did explain, you’re just continuing to ignore the evidence.