Christianity: Time for its Obituary?

What with an anti-Christian Pope and the verbal crap being excreted from woke mouths in American churches as described below, Christianity is dying if it is not already dead.

Is the demise of the Christian religion cause for regret? Well, the thing is, Christianity had become increasingly mild in America, and many who still call themselves Christians (a majority?) are conservative, so we might feel a little sorry.

More importantly, the religion that has been steadily superseding Christianity in the last hundred years - what is its name? Leftism? Statism? Collectivism? Oligarchic Globalism? the Death Disease Corruption Savagery Cult? - is as oppressive and cruel and murderous as Christianity ever was at its worst, and is certainly much worse than the (moribund) American Christianity of our time.

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If anything, this will create a backlash among Christians to resist this takeover of the Church, just like the backlash the left has created among all conservatives since they have accelerated their takeover of the culture, the government, and all our institutions. It may very well strengthen the Church.
Which, under the circumstances, would be a good thing, since we need all the conservatives we can get - including religious ones - to join together to resist the leftist takeover.

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Worse and worse:

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What a shock!!! Using their usual tactic of “projection”, the very people hijacking our culture are now claiming that the religious right has hijacked family values, the church and the culture.
Yes, encouraging your children to read and watch porn, emulate drag queens in pornographic displays, and attempt to change their sex with irreversible, damaging hormones and mutilation are such wonderful family values!
We are supposed to allow them to destroy our children, our families, our morals and our culture because, you see, the “problem” they created is all our fault!

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Don’t forget Islam as a menacing religion taking over perhaps from Christianity.

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Transvestism - “drag” - used to be mostly just an eccentric hobby some men and fewer women indulged themselves in, for whatever reason; maybe not all that different from “black-face” of the minstrel shows that were still popular in the 1950s. (I attended some as a kid when my dad’s high school alumni group performed in them. But my father was not a racist by any means - just a ham showman.) Now drag has been hijacked by the left and made into a victim identity - as if drag queens were ever an oppressed minority. Not since a very long time ago, at any rate. The comedian called Divine made a good living at his alter ego (pictured from the Wikipedia page). This particular Assembly of Divine Diversity is sort of a ‘special needs’ congregation, as Wikipedia explains (so it doesn’t necessarily represent a crack in the edifice of the larger Christian community)…

The Cathedral of Hope (CoH), a member congregation of the United Church of Christ, is an historically and predominantly LGBT congregation located in the Oak Lawn area of Dallas, Texas, in the United States. The Dallas Cathedral of Hope is said to be the world’s largest inclusive “liberal Christian church with a primary outreach to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender persons”, with a membership of over 4,000 local members.

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“Special needs” congregation? ? What special needs would be catered for in a church?

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Their ‘special needs’ are LGBTQIA+… I was being facetious with the term ‘special needs’ as it’s used in education, etc. as an umbrella term or euphemism for handicaps of one type or another - retardation, autism, etc.

United Church of Christ is a denomination established by merger of three other denominations in 1957. It since has become socially liberal, but not nearly as liberal as Unitarianism, which for a long time has been a radical leftist front group. It gave up the Christian confession a long time ago, though some Unitarians may still call themselves Christian. You’re probably already familiar with UU.

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No. Please, what is UU?

I knew some Unitarians decades ago who told me about their beliefs. But I hadn’t heard of UU until now.

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I think it stands for Unitarian Universalists, which, I guess, is the official title for them.

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Sorry, thought you’d be familiar. It’s Like Liz says, it’s Unitarian Universalist. The Unitarian denomination merged with the Universalists back in 1961.

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Thanks Liz. Thanks Zerothruster.

Now I will look up info about the Universalists. Their name is new to me.

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We can thank the thinkers of the Enlightenment for dealing the death blow to Christianity which has slowly withered to its present enfeebled state.
At the height of its power, Christianity was fanatically cruel and numbingly irrational. And these were not the worst of its crimes.
And yet, I confess to some mild regret over the demise of Christianity.
While acknowledging its ghastly record in so many spheres of human life, I also recognize some positive contributions of Christianity. Consider the Gothic Cathedral, one of the greatest architectural achievements of mankind. Consider the ineffable beauty of so much Christian sacred music. Consider some of the most intellectually and emotionally compelling paintings of Raphael, Titian, Leonardo, and Bellini to name only a very few. Consider the breathtaking accomplishments of Michelangelo - the Sistine Chapel frescoes and his sculptural works such as his first PietĂ . These have all been inspired (whether we like it or not) by Christianity. They are virtuoso accomplishments, and have yet to be surpassed.

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I think we have, not Christianity, but the good people who have inhabited it, to thank for its contributions.
As every civilizations religious leaders did before it, Christianity’s leaders gained power from claiming their authority came from god, and used it for ill, but the people held under their sway, the “faithful”, in many cases did much good, in spite of them.

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The bottom lines for those two sides of UU are 1) Universalists believe that All Souls (a favorite name for UU congregations) eventually get to heaven; 2) Unitarians reject doctrines of the Trinity, original sin, and divinity of Jesus. Isaac Newton, Ralph Emerson and John Adams were Unitarians, as was Erasmus Darwin, grandfather of Charles Darwin and Francis Galton. Thomas Jefferson is often claimed by the Unitarians, in that he was sympathetic to them and thought that denomination would eventually become the predominant religion in America. The Unitarians sometimes joke that their members believe in at most one god.

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Thanks again, Zerothruster. You save me the labor of research. (Not that I would have done very much.)

I did not know that Isaac Newton was a Unitarian. I know he spent much time making a map of … was it Purgatory or Hell? But despite that he really was one of the greatest men who ever lived. Perhaps THE greatest.

I enjoy the Unitarian joke!

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Great artists make great art. If those men had not been raised to believe in Christianity - if Christianity had not happened - they would have been inspired by whatever else their culture gave them.

I agree with you that their works are wonderful.

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It would make for an interesting What If? Alternate History novel - how the Greco-Roman classical civilization might have developed (as Western Civilization) but for the rise of Christianity. We might still have works like the dialogues of Aristotle, the lost plays of Aeschylus, unbroken sculpture masterpieces, etc.

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And no Islam.

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Right. It wouldn’t always be a cakewalk. There were also those pesky barbarians to the north, but they proved to be civilizable.

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