The Social Media Barons and the Religion of Peace

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If you’re on Twiter or Facebook — which we all should be – you’ve got to watch what you say. The Politically Correct Thought Police will suspend your account if you say certain things – what these are is fuzzy. I’ve come across hundreds of conservatives who have had their accounts suspended – and have had to start over … some of them on their third account.

We should also be on the ‘Free Speech’ social media, like Gab, Parler, Truth Social, and others… but there are over a million patriots on Twitter (that’s how many ‘followers’ Tucker Carlson has), and it’s useful to be able to communicate with them, as feeble as ‘Tweets’ are.

Anyway, there is clearly a double standard there — as everyone knows. If a purported ‘right wing terrorist’ had done something – like the maniac who murdered all those Muslims in New Zealand – and were his act to be praised on Facebook, they would have been banned immediately.

But the social media barons aren’t fair-minded, they are partisans of the Identity Politics Left. Did you know that?

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No! We had no idea that the “media barons” were on the side of the Left! It is so astounding a revelation that we must take a little time to recover from the news and then try to think what we can do about it.

Did you know that this Forum was started because we were suspended from Facebook where we had over ten thousand followers?

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I refuse to give Twitter or facebook my business.
They’re run by commies, and mostly bots, anyway.

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I did not know that. But see my reply to Liz.

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Liz, here’s the problem: if all patriots would withdraw from Twitter and Facebook – we’re talking about millions of people here – it would hit them hard, especially if we could agree on a single alternative.

But they won’t, and we can’t. There are still millions and millions of patriots on both platforms. You see, most people who are conservative do not have your commitment. That’s just a reality we have to deal with.

Plus, for the moment, Twitter and Facebook sill retain a veneer of neutrality, so people who are naturally conservative, but in ‘neutral’ organizations, still use it.

I’ve been building up a conservative mailing list, which includes the email address of VFW and American Legion and Vietnam Veterans of America, plus related auxiliary organizations; also the emails of local Republican groups. And … most of them communicate via Twiter and Facebook!

So if you’re not there, you’re not hurting Twitter one bit … plus or minus a few thousand is an accounting round-off error for them. But you’re missing out on the opportunity to communicate with thousands, tens of thousands, of other patriots. If that’s not important to you, fine. But if you want to be able to announce things like TheAthetistConservative.com, to try to get it more members, you want to be on Twitter (as I am), and on Facebook (as I am not, yet, effectively – only so many hours in the day).

Admittedly, my boosting – so far, in one Tweet – of this Forum hasn’t pulled in anyone, evidently. But then I only have 15 000 people receiving my Tweets … there are about a hundred times as many conservatives on Twitter, so I’m working on growing my list of ‘followers’. How I hope Elon Musk takes over!

And, yes, there are cetainly man ‘bots’ there – I regularly get Personal Message requests from some of them, or maybe one of them with alternative personalities – right now I’ve had about a dozen such requests from pretty young women from Singapore who run beauty salons in Toronto or San Francisco or New York, who want to be my friend, and then advise me on investing in Bitcoin or similar. Ha!

I’ve also boosted an acquaintance’s excellent blog (‘Twilight Patriot’) and only got ten hits for it, but that’s ten more than nothing, and out of a small number, relatively, of followers.

Here’s how I think: if the enemy doesn’t want us some place … that’s just where we should be. (If anyone here is not on Twitter, or doesn’t use it much, but would like to join me in using it to mobilize patriots, message me and let’s talk. I’ve now learned enough about Twitter to be much more effective than I was – there is free software (UnfollowSpy.com) that is very useful, and you can automate when to send your Tweets, etc.

Look: Jill said that this forum was on Facebook, with over 10 000 followers, and got evicted by its Leftist Thoughtpolice. So it went independent. Now it has about 100. Don’t you see the lesson there? (Actually, we need both: presences on Twitter and Facebook, etc, with ‘reserve’ independent sites like this one, and we USE Twitter and Facebook – and other social media – to recruit people for the independent site.)

Which brings up another point: there are a bunch of ‘free speech’ and ‘conservative’ social media sites. I’ve checked some of them out, and signed up to as many as I could … but they’re not a patch on the enemy’s sites, Twitter (and I think, Facebook). But they’re still a positive! However, I have not yet learned a lot about them – a work in progress. I’m currently in the process of looking for other conservative non-religious people on these sites. (If anyone wants to help, message me.)

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The lesson to me is, if they’re going to kick conservatives off, other conservatives should boycott them in solidarity.
If they don’t, thats their choice, but it may be only a matter of time til they get kicked of themselves.

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The people who got kicked off, I think, were those who were somehow associated with the insane ‘QAnon’ thing. But I don’t have detailed knowledge yet of exactly who gets thumped and who doesn’t. Certainly the 16 000 conservatives whom I ‘follow’ (and thus whose ‘Tweets’ I read) say some pretty strong things.

Here’s the thing, Liz: it’s not a moral issue. It’s a tactical one. In a ‘real’ war, if we have to put on enemy uniforms and be parachuted behind enemy lines – violating a so-called ‘Rule of War’, by the way, and allowing the enemy to summarily execute us – then we do so. We do whatever it takes to win.

If someone from the Right had founded Twitter, and then kicked off Lefties who, say, praised AntiFa, or pupblicized false slanders against people on our side … do you think the Left would self-righteously all resign, and go off to their tiny little alternative sites? Leaving us with 300 million people to influence?

Of course not. The Left want power, and will do what is necessary to get it. So should we. People who were kicked off of Twitter get new accounts under new names and come back, perhaps being a bit wiser about what they can say on there, which is a lot.

Here’s the bottom line: we are in a war for our very existence.

If the Left succeeds in really taking over America, of making its ‘identity politics’ central to our culture, of indoctrinating the next generation even more thoroughly and with even more extreme ideas than they have in the past, of hollowing out the military by making Political Correctness a criterion for promotion, of handcuffing the police so they are afraid to really take on criminals who can play the race card … if this happens, we are going to see a huge historical/social catastrophe. We cannot see the detailed linements of it, but it will be horrific.

It will make the fall of the Soviet Union look like a minor readjustment of their social institutions and customs.

The whole civilized West will be deprived of its main – almost sole – defender against the Evil Empires of the world.

We’ve talked about Michael Anton and his “Flight 93 Election” argument. He’s got an excellent book which everyone should read, called The Stakes: America at the Point of No Return. [ https://www.amazon.com/Stakes-2020-Election-Point-Return/dp/1684510619 ]
You can get a used copy for $6!!! It’s unsettling reading but he lays it all out, very soberly, lots of documentation. Vital ammunition.

So we’ve got to act like soldiers, not individuals. We should not do what makes us feel good and moral and righteous, but what contributes to the destruction of the enemy. “In war, the laws are silent,” as Cicero said.

Dear non-existent God, I’ll believe in you if … you send us a conservative Lenin.

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Jillian wasn’t associated with Q-anon, and still got suspended.
I see your point about going “behind enemy lines”, etc. But both ways are debatably valid.
I think the Left has already succeeded at taking over America. They basically control all our institutions now, and have weaponized them against us.
We can, hopefully, still take it back.

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Yes. This is basically correct.

They’ve worked by stealth, taking advantage of peoples’ good nature, their desire to be fair, their wish not to discriminate on the basis of what other people cannot help looking like or being.

The Republican Party was … is? … a creature of its Donor Class. So long as these people were making money, Republican leaders didn’t really care what was happening below the surface of society, except insofar as it gave them the opportunity to feed their base with some rhetorical red meat on ‘cultural issues’.

The Old Left openly proclaimed its desire to destroy capitalism … ie to disposses the rich (and, in practice, the middle class).

The new Identity Politics Left doesn’t do that. Partly because dispossessing the rich and instituting Central Planning and government ownership has proved to be such a dismal failure wherever it’s been tried on a serious scale.

But also … the working class, especially in America, proved to be such a disappointment to the Left. They just wouldn’t follow their supposed saviors.

And, ironically, the middle-class Left itself has done quite well out of capitalism. Why nationalize Facebook or Google, when you’re making a nice salary there in very pleasant working conditions?

But … there were other groups in society which did have grievances, most of them at least partly legitimate: women, Blacks, sexual minorities.

Orthodox Marxists had considered these groups as auxiliaries for the aroused proletariat. (In fact, a number of bitter internal fights among Marxists occurred over just how auxiliary these groupings should be. Some Marxists outright opposed Black Nationalism, for example. One group – the ‘Workers League’ even wrote that “The working class hates faggots and women’s libbers, and so do we.” A direct quote. Another, the ‘Revolutionary Communist Party’, opposed busing, and analyzed homosexuality as bourgeois decadence, to be cured in re-education camps.

This was in the 1970s. Both groups are still active, but have changed those unpolitic positions. And in any case, although the small orthodox Marxist sects are not without influence – they have a counsellor in Seattle – they’re not the Left’s heavy batallions. Of some importance, but not mainstream.

For most of the Left these groups became the new targets. After a while, the ‘working class’ was forgotten, and class politics was replaced by ‘identity politics’.

The rich capitalists found that they could appease the Left very easily: hire more women, more Blacks, adopt some ‘woke’ jargon, start a Department of Diversity … easy peasy.

So… the radicals of the Sixties grew up, got jobs, rose in their professions – but retained the view of Blame America First. When the Soveit Union collapsed, it was, in a way, a blessing for them: the Communist Threat had vanished. They were no longer tarnished with being either advocates of, or advocates of surrender to, World Communism.

They especially went into teaching, at all levels. A natural profession for them. This was not the result of some diabolical centrally planned plot – just a natural progression. It has given them the youth, or a large fraction of it.

Most importantly, they now have far, far more influence than the Old Left ever did. The Communist Party USA, as a result of its participation in the unionization struggles of the 1930s, helped by its ‘Right turn’ to Popular Frontism in 1935, ended up with serious influence: they controlled 11 national unions, 1/3 of the CIO, and had a serious presence in many other unions. They had serious influence in Hollywood. But … the great mass of the American people were patriots, and when the Cold War began, the CP’s influence evaporated.

Now the Left’s influence in American life is both broad and deep, and there is no equivalent of post-war Russian expansion – which the CP had to support – to discredit them.

So what can we do? That’s what we need to discuss.

But first we need to examine how far the Left has gotten in taking over the most important institution in America (as in all other countries). Here, they’re just beginning… It’s the institution, the strength of which, or lack of it, has deteremined all previous revolutionary situations, when society teetered on the brink of a radical takeover.

And that institution is … whoa, this is way too long already, let’s stop here. New thread needed.

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Heavy sigh… I do still have my FB account, but rarely go there to spend the 5 minutes it takes me to keep up with some relatives. Twitter…I refuse, although I have watched a few videos there.

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FB has its uses. It brings together those who need support, those who want to connect with like-minded people, and those who are looking for specific help in understanding their conditions. It is good for sharing photos, artwork and charities. It is good for bragging about one’s family or dining adventures or vacations.

Younger people have moved to Instagram (still part of the Meta-verse) and people with too much time on their hands and minds to Twitter.

I may have a lot on my mind, but no time to spend online, which is why I refuse to upgrade to a smart phone. Screen time is not good time, in general. Social media is also a force for evil. I have enough to do in reality that taxes my mind and my time. I get a day often to do this sort of stuff for a longer time, but I mostly just delete my email and check the weather or grain prices, or look up odd stuff that I need to know. Sometimes days go by without me getting online.

You go ahead, Doug, and indulge your desire to do battle online. Good luck.

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I don’t use Facebook at all, although I intend to investigate its uses. I used not to do Twitter, but now I believe it’s a useful way to connect with other patriots.

I’m just in the process of investigating other social media, like Discord and Gab etc. My main – almost entire – interest is in trying to reach other patriots. Otherwise, it’s largely a waste of my time.

Right now, I spend about 20 minutes a day on Twitter, almost solely focussed on increasing the number of my ‘followers’. I would love to be able to boast that I had brought some more conservative atheists to this forum via my Tweet mentioning it, but it seems that about 75% of the conservatives on Twitter are ardent Christians. I’ve only come across a couple of people who are both conservative and explicitly non-religious. Perhaps I’ll have more luck on the several Atheist forums which exist.

It’s very frustrating. We’re half the country, and have the possibility to win a significant part of the other half away from the Leftist termites. But we lack a national organization, or even a communications network, that would allow us to focus our energies.

There are a dozen really excellent groups around – each specializing in one area. But no single national organization that could co ordinate our work. There are reasons for this, of course.

In my opinion, it’s the one big thing we lack.

But everyone has to do what his circumstances and personal interests/capabilities dictate.

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Are you aware of the practice of shadow banning Doug? After I discovered I was being shadow-banned (thanks to a website that reveals this) I stopped going on Twitter because it became clear that I was largely talking to thin air/a brick wall. Also links to my website were being shadow banned as well.

Of course I could go to the huge trouble of starting all over again with a new account, buy a new sim card etc… If Elon Musk takes over though I will definitely go back.

I have never been on FB and never will, it is a data harvesting machine. Twitter is that as well but it better lends itself to anonymity and as I have written some outspoken criticisms of Islam I am not in a hurry to become a public figure at the moment.

I have a gab account but I gave up with it because there is just too much content on there that I find problematic (including many white nationalist type accounts and Hitler fans). I did also set up a mewe account but have not been inspired to resurrect it, maintaining multiple accounts is very time consuming.

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Wonder how many of those Hitler fans are FBI agents, too?

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99% would be a conservative estimate I think :rofl:

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Ha! Exactly!

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I know about shadow banning but did not know about that site … thanks very much! If you have any other useful tips or links for using social media, I would appreciate them.

Yes, critics of Islam/islamism have to be careful. It simultaneously makes me laugh, and irritates the hell out of me, that Lefties are venemous critics of Christian conservatives, when the Christians haven’t harmed non-believers for hundreds of years, and are silent about Islam, whose fanatical followers kill thousands.

When one killed that MP a few months ago, they couldn’t avoid mentioning that the murderer was a Muslim, but that fact was mentioned like you’d mention he had red hair, as a kind of ho-hum incidental fact. And when Salman Rushdie was attacked, the police said they did not know the motivation of his attacker!
Why, gosh, it could have been a disappointed literary critic

Some Christians are bigotted against homosexuals (I’m not talking here about gay marriage, but outright bigotry), but they don’t prescribe the death penalty for it, as some Islamic countries do.

I agree about Gab – although I believe in going where it’s likely to be useful to go. We can’t let the Nazis drive us away from what might be fruitful arenas of work. And, yes, for sure, having more than one social media account is time-consuming.

I’m still learning my way around these sites. My main aim is to get as many outlets as possible for posting things that help strengthen the patriot movement. Right now, for example, we should all be working like hell to register new voters, provided they’re not leftist drones.

And this forum ought to have many times the number of followers it has. If other atheist conservatives are like me, it can get a bit discouraging being on conservative forums where the great majority of people are religious, and many of them say, “Never mind what happens, in the end, God wins.”

If the conservative movement continues to be identified almost exclusively with ardent Christians proclaiming ‘End Times’, we will not pull over as many secular-minded commonsense recovering liberals as we could. Or so I think.

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Yes, I’ve been frustrated with that for years.
Christians really shoot the entire conservative movement in the foot by injecting religion into every debate, and with the attitude that God will take care of it, so just pray about it rather than take action.

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It sounds as if you have more experience of social media than I do, but I would just stress to anybody politically active on these platforms to check to see if you are being shadow banned fairly regularly; even if you have thousands of followers it could be that you are talking to a virtual brick wall.

People talk about echo chambers but I see plenty of disagreements at every forum, and in these disagreements arguments can be honed, so I think the echo chamber argument is weak. Also by commenting at forums such as this one, we help to attract more followers and eventually people with wider views will start to join in. Personally I don’t think it matters so much what platform you spend your time on as long as you have a sense that you’re having some influence on opinion.

Yes I agree it’s a problem that the right generally is too religious. One other point about Gab, the owner/s seem to be quite fanatically Christian, and actually I don’t think it’s a terribly useful place to be in general from my experiences of using it. Parler, Gettr, and probably Truth Social are probably better platforms to spend time on, also Telegram, there are quite a lot of COVID-sceptics on there. I haven’t actually spent any time on any of these other ones though as yet anyway, my experience is limited to mainly Twitter and Gab.

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Doug, while conservatives tend to be Christians, they have much more in common with us than do most atheists, which are overwhelmingly and rabidly Leftists.

Christians are more likely to vote for conservatives, or to vote in general, and they are atheist conservatives best allies. In fact, we would be stupid to alienate them over their belief in God.

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