I've never liked or trusted these guys

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It doesn’t surprise me, I remember being disappointed when Trump gave the liberal Kushner a role in his first term, and was glad he stayed out of the picture in his second term - til now.
Probably the only reason they had any success in their negotiating was because they had Trump’s strength to prop them up, and, as this writer points out, Israel’s attack on the Hamas leaders to bring the Arab negotiators in line.

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Selection from the linked article:

Responding to the comment that Trump “was furious,” Kushner offered, “I think he [President Trump] felt like the Israelis were getting a little bit out of control in what they were doing, and that it was time to be very strong and stop them from doing things that he felt were not in their long-term interests."

Their comments place responsibility for jeopardizing the peace process squarely in Israeli hands, even though there was literally no traction for peace on the Arab world’s part up until the Doha attack.

Their comments perpetuate the misguided belief that, while the October 7th massacre was wrong and bad and, yes, it would be nice if the hostages could be released (but Bibi was preventing that for his personal political gain), Israel had lost the public relations war and had completely lost the moral high ground.

As if Israel has ever been on the winning side of the public relations war.

The politically astute response from Witkoff and Kushner should have been “Yes, the attack in Doha on September 9th had the potential to upend negotiations, but Netanyahu apologized, refrained from further incursions against Hamas leaders living in Qatar, and this catapulted the negotiations to a speedy and positive conclusion.”

This would not have been a bending of the knee to Israel’s detractors, but would have been truthful, would have addressed the issue directly, and would not have provided Israel’s critics with additional ammunition.

Comment:

In my irritated voice: Israel “getting a little bit out of” President Trump’s “control”? America’s control? Is Israel normally under his/its control? Or is he/it more aptly described as Israel’s strong ally?

In my approving voice: For the next three quoted paragraphs, yes. I agree.

In my irritated voice again: Netanyahu apologized. He did indeed, and that was shattering news.

His apology “catapulted the negotiations to a speedy and positive conclusion”? It was not “a bending of the knee to Israel’s detractors”? It “would have been truthful”? Oh? Whatever makes the writer think so?

Do Israel’s critics need “additional ammunition”? They make it up all the time anyway.

However, I’m glad to see the “deal” criticized, even if the criticism is only partly apt.

I agree with you, Cogito, that those two are not trustworthy. The whole episode hurts (not just me but) the cause.

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I was as amazed as I was delighted that the living hostages were returned to Israel.

We are told that Hamas did it because they fear Trump.

And after that ? Now their fear stops?

I have no faith in the “deal”.

I long to see President Trump’s release of hell on the Hamas savages.

After which - if it happens … ? Quo vadis?

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It’s just a matter of time before Hamas attacks Israel again, and Trump has already said they’ll be killed if they do. So I’m pretty sure hell will be released - its just a question of how much!
And the detractors can’t make up their minds - they’ve been claiming Israel controls the US, now they imply Trump controls Israel except for this.
Just whatever fits the latest event - but it’s always Israel’s fault.

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I have heard also that Witkoff said he bonded with the Hamas negotiator because they had both lost sons.

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Good grief, Cogito!

That is outrageous!

The Hamas son is the enemy. I’m sure you agree that what those savages did to their captives on and after October 7, 2023, dooms them all to the justice of merciless destruction.

They are continuing to torture and murder. They never stopped.

That’s why I disagree with President Trump and his Vice President that the “deal” will hold. It never stood a chance. There is no deal possible with savages.

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