Israel-Ukraine equivalence?

“The more Hamas kills, the more money it makes.”
Sounds like another money laundering deal for the oligarchy. Start a war, funnel tax money in, make money off the destruction and the re-building.
The people slaughtered are just collateral damage.
Kind of like all the “unexpected” side effects, including the mounting death toll, of the vaccines.
Oh well, you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet, right?

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I suppose there must be good reasons for not starting the ground offensive, Cogito.

Please tell me why you say Netanyahu is “feckless”? (It’s an open question, not a “gotcha”.)

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I say he is feckless because the ground invasion and obliteration should have been completed by now. Instead, Netanyahu is setting up safe zones for “civilians” in Gaza, and turning the water back on… When the Allies attacked Germany in WWII, they did not say that we only want to kill card-carrying Nazis. They killed, and right;y so, anyone who got in their way. Similarly, Netanyahu should be less concerned about humanitarian efforts for the Hamas supporters, and more concerned with annihilating those monsters who mock Jewish deaths.

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Related to this issue of increasing world condemnation of Israel, note the following by Ezra Levant on Trudeau’s latest cabinet appointment:

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Here is an attempt at explaining Netanyahu’s postponement of a ground invasion of Gaza. I think it makes some sense. Do you?

I quote:

The president’s visit effectively froze Israel’s options the moment the decision was made and conveyed to Netanyahu, which probably happened last weekend.
And there can be no ground attack for as long as the president is in the region, and for at least a day or two after he leaves so as not to embarrass him or make it seem as if he okayed an invasion.
At which point, two weeks will have passed since Hamas carried out its fiendish terrorism on Israeli citizens and children and Israel’s response will have been limited to smashing buildings with bombs and rockets.
To be fair, there are two possible good reasons why Biden might want Israel to delay and why Netanyahu might agree.
The first would be that there is progress in secret negotiations to release the hostages Hamas is holding, which may number as many as 200.
An attack would end any chance of a voluntary release and further endanger them, so if there is a chance they could be released soon, it’s worth a brief wait.
A second good reason for delaying the ground assault would be if Washington had a comprehensive strategy for dealing with Hamas and, most important, with its puppeteer and financer in ¬Tehran.
But without any sign that either or both of those two reasons are in play, the logical conclusion is that Biden’s visit aims to tie Israel’s hands without producing any obvious benefit to our ally.
That scenario favors Iran because its malign actions remain unhindered and its proxies remain free to kill Israelis.

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“…if Washington had a comprehensive strategy for dealing with Hamas…” Ha! What a joke.
It’s much more likely the other - to do Iran a favor and tie their hands.

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Yes. That’s much more likely!

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I don’t buy any of the options other than Biden wanting to tie Israel’s hands. We must sooner or later learn that the US is not a stalwart friend of Israel. If Biden gave $6 billion to Russia, would he be considered an ally of Ukraine?

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How long do you think Israel will survive?

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And after funneling the 6 billion to the terrorists, Biden while in Israel pretends to be sympathetic to the victims, scoring PR points in photos of him hugging them. What an absolute disgrace.

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His capacity for hypocrisy remains strong as he lapses, a little faster every day, into final decrepitude.

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In his interview with “60 Minutes”, Biden said that the United States opposes Israel’s war goal of obliterating Hamas and destroying its capacity to govern in any way in Gaza. Instead, Biden drew an obscene, imaginary distinction between Hamas and “extreme elements in Hamas”. Biden also endorsed the idea that Israel should knock down Hamas a few notches, but not conquer Gaza.
The administration’s goal, apparently, is to block Israel from winning and force it to fight to a draw—in the best-case scenario.
This is perfect for Hamas, which would survive, and with its friends in the United States, the United Nations, Iran, Qatar and throughout the Arab and Western world, rebuild itself stronger than ever.
Iran would stand as the regional superpower, and within months could be expected to test a nuclear weapon. Israel’s future, in short, would be bleak.

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Bidens, goal, then, is to preserve the power of Iran and the terrorists they fund. And, I’m sure, he’ll continue to fund them all with our tax money.
And the first thing Iran will do with their U.S. funded nuclear bombs will be to bomb the U.S. and Israel.

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Further to my correspondence with my friend Malcolm, who sees an equivalence in the Israel And Ukrainian wars.

" The single most important similarity, to some, in the war is that both Israel and Ukraine were invaded by hostile forces. For these, this is morally decisive. This invasion is, ipso facto, in the view of some, a war crime, and it behooves us to exuberantly lavish arms on both of the invaded countries.

In my view, however, this definition of a war crime is technically correct, but the invasion of one country by a hostile force sometimes leaves me utterly indifferent. So, for example, when Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union, or when Jew hating Iraq invaded Jew hating Iran, I felt no moral imperative to arm either Russia or Iran.

This is essentially how I view the conflict between Russian and Ukraine. Both are deeply corrupt states governed by despots who have little regard for individual rights of their citizens. Opposition is punished severely. I can muster little enthusiasm for supporting either side.

On the other hand, for me, the Israel/Hamas war is of a different category completely. One could even say it’s a difference in kind. Israel, utterly unlike Gaza, is a thoroughly Western constitutional democracy. The government recognizes and respects the rights of its citizens. It does not eliminate or imprison its political opposition. There is a moral world of difference here.

Therefore, from my perspective, the deciding issue in any war, is certainly not that one country is invaded by a hostile force, but the moral status of the combatants. So, because WWII was a moral war, I give it full throated support. Because the Iran/Iraq war was between two utterly immoral countries, I was indifferent to the outcome. By this criterion, I see no moral contradiction between supporting Israel completely, and feeling indifferent to supporting Ukraine.

This is a moral decision, not a geopolitical one. This is the standard I follow.

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No one can answer this question, but I believe Israel will not survive with its present leadership. The invasion will be perfunctory. The other concern is that Israel has a 20% moslem population. I don’t believe any country can sustain this sized fifth column. This number seems to be the breaking point. India, with a moslem population of 18% is the next closest

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So Israel will go. Will Jews be targeted everywhere? Will there be pogroms all over the world? Will the Nazis’ “final solution of the Jewish problem” - total genocide - be accomplished?

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Impossible to predict, but I’d say all are a very likely possibility at the rate things are going.
I think it’s just a matter of time (probably a short time) til the scores of terrorists who have infiltrated over our borders get their orders, and we have a repeat of 9/11, or worse.

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I’ve been watching Megyn Kelly lately. She has been gobsmacked by the breadth and depth of Jew hatred in America today. When you let the Third World into your country, you become the Third World.

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It’s colonization. A resistance movement of the colonized is the imperative of the age.

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The “equivalence” between the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Hamas invasion of Israel is that both Russia’s and Iran’s geopolitical ambitions were sponsored by Obama. That hater of America and Israel enabled the Russia/Iran axis in the Middle East. Obama paid Iran to develop the nuclear bomb. He did nothing when Russia established a base on the Mediterranean, just as he did nothing when Russia invaded Crimea. Biden, taking up the Obama vision for a diminished America, was prepared to do nothing when Putin massed his troops at the Ukraine border in 2022 - except scream the “Russians are Coming” to persuade Zelensky into a preemptive surrender. Were it not for Ukraine’s unexpected victory over Putin’s putsch, the Biden administration would have been pursuing a Minsk 3 for the last year. The weapons deliveries have been slow-walked, and now the Biden admin is playing Israel against Ukraine: air defense armaments for Israel are being rerouted to Ukraine, and the DoD is putting out statements that military aid to Ukraine is drawing down America’s defense and endangering our national security. A clear message that America is out of the superpower game and cannot defend its allies. What else is the sanctimonious Biden conveying when he tells Israel to learn from America’s mistakes in overreacting with anger to 9/11?

I think it is time that Americans who stand by America begin to realize that the moral argument cannot be won. We have already lost that war. Morality has been coopted by the enemy. The global socialists claim the moral high-ground with a Christian underdogma: America, Israel and Western civilization, law, culture, history and all, are evil and must be destroyed in favor of the races and civilizations it has oppressed. Words are defined to convey the opposite meaning, or emptied of all meaning. How else could half the world believe that Arab and Islamist terrorists are resisting Jewish nazis, that the “Palestinians” are the victims of a holocaust perpetrated upon them by racist zionists. How else could the United Nations - that supreme moral Directorate - pass a resolution (being revived on the streets now) that Zionism is Racism? For every person who is morally on the side of the Jewish State - or thinks Israel has morality on its side, there are many who believe that it is Satan incarnate and that Hitler should have finished the job of exterminating the sub-human Jews. As the Democrat party is becoming more and more anti-Israel and the radical activists are whipping up moral outrage against Israel, and as a faction of Republicans becomes more and more isolationist on the (dubiously Christian) moral grounds of a preference for suffering Americans over suffering Jews or Ukrainians, I can’t see where a groundswell of moral outrage in favor of Jews is going to come from that might secure for the long-term a steadfast political and military support of Israel by America.

Sadly, the same verbal chicanery is being perpetrated by those who are putting about a false moral equivalence between authoritarian Putin and Zelensky, between NATO “expansionism” and Russia’s imperialism, between Iran’s nuclear power and Israel’s, between Trump/Netanyahu and Hitler, between Hamas and the IDF. All this creates the image - and reality - of a weak, enfeebled, disintegrating, demoralized United States of America so much desired by Obama and the radical left.

Once one has recognized that the geopolitical and the American domestic crisis are results of the same poisonous ideological movement culminating in political critical mass with Obama/Biden, the conclusion that America must support both Ukraine and Israel is not difficult to reach. If we do not, America will slide into a one-party regulatory state that has effectively unilaterally disarmed itself and/or it will split apart through civil war or secession, Israel will become a Jew-free Jihadistan, Europe a hostage to Islam, and the world will regress economically, intellectually, culturally - in every conceivable way - under the unchecked nuclear blackmail of the axis of tyrannies: Russia, China, Iran and North Korea.

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